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Hi Guys,

I've been aware/user of Ron's work for some time now, but am new with the AG software as of last month (I had a decent winner which paid for a year, so thought why not?). I'm just looking for other users experiences, ones either new like myself, or seasoned users.

I'm by no means talking from a wounded pocket, because since May 4th, I am in profit, though not as much as AG, but there's many factors to that. I've spoken to Andy from AG a couple of times, and he seems eager to help, but was after some more unbiased opinions.

My 1 gripe is the fact that you can modify the staking column after the event. I work in the I.T industry myself with reporting tools, mainly in warehouses, that track orders, returns, deliveries etc. so know about software integrity, so to be able to modify result changing fields after the event doesn't quite sit right with me personally.

Yesterday, I made a loss of about £60, but still up, so just put this down to a difficult day due to so much racing. I was therefore a tad surprised at the £147 profit shown by AG. I looked at the results to see where i'm going wrong. It was a little concerning to see that the stakes on winning races were generally a fair bit higher than the stakes on losing races. This could be coincidence and I am not pointing fingers, but the fact that you can change your stake after the race does make it so you can show potential customers what they want to see.

It is a helpful tool to me, and I am by no means giving up on it, but would just like some input from other users, and perhaps share how they use it (risk levels etc.).

Thanks, Dan.

Yes Dan i have thought that for quite a while,,especially as they supposedly do not place any bets themselves!! and therefore not under any pressure to prove the results,,i tried it and gave up very disillusioned. shame had big hopes of making 20,000 grand..  

I am an absolute numty when it comes to software, so although i spoke to Andy and the discussion i had helped me greatly, it was very doubtful i would subscribe.  How long did you give it a go Ray  before you gave up and are you very tech savvy? There's no doubt about it if punters were to use the stakes Astech use then they would be putting big sums on and not sure if they would get matched every time.  Certainly if they tried to get those amounts on with conventional bookies they would have been closed down in most cases.

Its the method of dutching the top 3 and bottom rated fav that makes the money. Also Ron has introduced the market movers and for most that is a money spinner.  In my opinion you can make money without subscribing to Astech but if you are tech savvy and prepared to give it a good go then Astech can only help you to further improve your profits.  After speaking to Andy i am sure  his integrity is 100% and no way would he rig results.  They appear to have a method where confidence in some races is better than in others and adjust stakes accordingly. I am more rigid and have three levels at £10, £20 and £30. My bank is very steadily going up and when it gets to a certain level my stakes will increase to £15, £30 and £45 per race.

I've come up with some risk level rules of my own and will try them out over the coming weeks. One thing that was never said to me was that if you use Ron's figures but stick to AG's Risk Level 1 across the board, then you will more than likely lose money, as the success rate of the rated races would need to be around 80%+.

It has been a good day today for the rated races, and I played 4 of those to risk level 2 (3 winners, 1 loser), and 3 to risk level 1 (2 winners, 1 loser), with the help of a massive drifter that won.

Ian, I'm not questioning anybody's integrity just yet, but it does look a little convenient when the winning races just happen to be those that had the most money placed on, and I don't understand why you can change the stake that you have input after the race. If I put £10 on a race, then I've put £10 on, I don't need to change it after the fact. It just puts the software underneath a cloud for me, and at the end of the day, Astech Gold is a product that needs to be sold, so there comes the pressure to show positive results.

I still have 381 days of subscription remaining, so it's very early days.

Good luck with your bets.

All fair comment Dan.  As you say today has been a good day  and for my methods i have had a good  last eight days.  As i have said before i do virtually the same as Astech but to lower stakes and am currently not using the market movers.

Astech do not bet so they look at the results and then use a their staking methods around the prices i believe. They have an advantage over punters who have to get their bets on before work and even myself who can put bets on  up to a couple of minutes before start time get the wrong horse. Take yesterday you had to be on very late to have backed The King's Baby (5.20 st). I was on Ruby Yeates because i had to place my bets  around 3pm as i was going out for dinner.  Both horses were bottom rated but the favourites flip flopped.  I still think its about having confidence in the ratings and looking at things long term.

The AG is an excellent package and Andy an enthusiastic and helpful contact. Unfortunately I have never been able to match their results. The missing link appears to be risk levels. As other respondents have stated, they often appear to have the ability to  have increased stakes on winning races. Could they add their own risk level advice on a race by race basis? This would have two benefits. Firstly it would convince all of us that the process is sound. Secondly, we could share the consistent profits that they report each season.

Ian, good stuff. My daily profit loss resembles a rollercoaster, but as of today I am £251 up over the last 7 days, so won't be complaining.

I guessed that they don't bet, or certainly not on the spreadsheet that we see. For a start, all of their prices are SP, and you can't dutch using SP, and for the odds to never change, you'd literally have to push the bet button as the gates opened. Like you, I was on Ruby Yeates. For me, it's very misleading, but i'm in for the long haul now.

Bob, I've said the same to Andy about advising risk levels on the LI page, but apparently it's all down to the markets that are changing all of the time so it's a non-starter. I've come up with my own risk levels, and today found myself with two risk 3 level races, which luckily both won. My rules are below:

Dutch 2 = Risk 1 (except for below)

Dutch 2, 8 runners or less, top 2 in market = Risk 2

Dutch 3, 9+ runners = Risk 1

Dutch 3, 8 runners or less, 3 of top 5 in market = Risk 2

Dutch 3, 8 runners or less, top 3 in market = Risk 3

Dutch 4, 9+ runners = Risk 1

Dutch 4, 9+ runners, 4 of top 6 in market = Risk 2

Dutch 4, 8 runners or less = Risk 2

Dutch 4, 8 runners or less, 3 of top 4 in market (must include fav) = Risk 3

Where I have put Dutch 2, this is where I sometimes use multiple market movers in none rated races, though I'm going to go back and look at the results of doing that, as I got stung twice today.

Morning, gents, I do not get a chance to get on here anything like as much as I would like but it's great to see a debate such as this going on.

I've met Andy twice and he has always come across as someone that is honest and wants to do as I'm doing, which is to try and make punters a profit from their betting.

If you have concerns about any aspect of what they are doing, you should most certainly put them in front of them.

For me personally it's all about my figures and I use no tools to obtain my own results. I do, of course, have the luxury of doing what I do for a living and so can watch markets and make decisions that most cannot, during a day of betting.

Some will be making more than the guys at AG are advising has been achievable on a given day, some will make less.

I read Ray's comments and I'm very sorry you became quickly disillusioned. What exactly happened?

The way I look at AG is that it's a tool to help you put the plays together and help manage staking. They opted to look at my work and find the best ways of using it and then create their LI page so that members had no need to do this themselves and, as far as I'm aware, never change those plays once that have been committed to their website?

If you believe a line may have been crossed when they interpret those results then you should most certainly contact them and ask them to clarify exactly how they achieved any given result.

They introduction of bottom rated favourites has been sound but, as will sometimes be the case, a bottom rated favourite will only become one close to off time and only those fortunate enough to be in front of a computer when it happens, will achieve a profit from that race, if that favourite then obliges.

I would sincerely hope they are not applying their staking to races after an event and, in fact, from past experience when I have been chatting to Andy during racing he has advised me when they've now got a three horse dutch, instead of a four, or a four instead of a three.

Racing is in a state of flux from around 10-00am each morning, when the markets wake. I recently had a discussion with Andy regarding late Market Movers, which come along three hours or more after my Newsletter goes out. He correctly said that they didn't want them because their LI page is set up by 10-30am and to introduce additional MM's would not help those who have to place their bets before the new MM's become known....and quite right too.

There will never be a 100% rock solid solution to this because certain things will happen long after most have placed their bets but what I will ask Andy to do is consider all options regarding how they produce a screenshot and the results they show.

But please, if you genuinely ever feel aggrieved you have to say something and get clarification.....both to them, and me!

Morning, gents, I do not get a chance to get on here anything like as much as I would like but it's great to see a debate such as this going on.

I've met Andy twice and he has always come across as someone that is honest and wants to do as I'm doing, which is to try and make punters a profit from their betting.

If you have concerns about any aspect of what they are doing, you should most certainly put them in front of them.

For me personally it's all about my figures and I use no tools to obtain my own results. I do, of course, have the luxury of doing what I do for a living and so can watch markets and make decisions that most cannot, during a day of betting.

Some will be making more than the guys at AG are advising has been achievable on a given day, some will make less.

I read Ray's comments and I'm very sorry you became quickly disillusioned. What exactly happened?

The way I look at AG is that it's a tool to help you put the plays together and help manage staking. They opted to look at my work and find the best ways of using it and then create their LI page so that members had no need to do this themselves and, as far as I'm aware, never change those plays once that have been committed to their website?

If you believe a line may have been crossed when they interpret those results then you should most certainly contact them and ask them to clarify exactly how they achieved any given result.

They introduction of bottom rated favourites has been sound but, as will sometimes be the case, a bottom rated favourite will only become one close to off time and only those fortunate enough to be in front of a computer when it happens, will achieve a profit from that race, if that favourite then obliges.

I would sincerely hope they are not applying their staking to races after an event and, in fact, from past experience when I have been chatting to Andy during racing he has advised me when they've now got a three horse dutch, instead of a four, or a four instead of a three.

Racing is in a state of flux from around 10-00am each morning, when the markets wake. I recently had a discussion with Andy regarding late Market Movers, which come along three hours or more after my Newsletter goes out. He correctly said that they didn't want them because their LI page is set up by 10-30am and to introduce additional MM's would not help those who have to place their bets before the new MM's become known....and quite right too.

There will never be a 100% rock solid solution to this because certain things will happen long after most have placed their bets but what I will ask Andy to do is consider all options regarding how they produce a screenshot and the results they show.

But please, if you genuinely ever feel aggrieved you have to say something and get clarification.....both to them, and me!

Ron Robinson like New York so good he wrote it twice.

Some good discussion here and about time.  I think its fair to say as Dan said Astech record to S.P. I am sure they put up selections by 10.30  and i have no problem with recording to S.P.

Yesterday i had a different selection to Astech. The race was the  7.20 at Hexham.  They selected Placedela Concorde and i selected For Three. Both rated the same but For Three was shorter in the betting.  I have always used this method and although Placedela was higher up the page i am sure they said in stake management that if you have equal rated horses you use the shorter in the betting. Perhaps Ron, Ron (get it ) can help us out here.

Some great results for us. Lets hope the weather stays fine  and we have seen an end to good/firm at 09.00hrs changing to Soft at 14.00 hrs. Keep going everybody.

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